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 on: Yesterday at 05:23:27 AM 
Started by bluenose2 - Last Post by bluenose2
Hello Les here. Calling from across the pond in Canada. I am building a Revell 1/72 WWII Corvette to Canadian specs. My question is what colour would the depth charges have been. I have received some conflicting information on this subject.

 on: 28 January 2018 03:13:45 PM 
Started by mark rogers - Last Post by mark rogers
Absolutely Brilliant!  :) Thank you for that information which gives me exactly what I was looking for.

 on: 26 January 2018 06:25:57 PM 
Started by mark rogers - Last Post by PhiloNauticus

For Bethune-Williams, see also the file at The National Archives, ref no: ADM 358/1323

and also  ADM 358/489

 on: 26 January 2018 06:19:24 PM 
Started by mark rogers - Last Post by PhiloNauticus

The ships mentioned were the Parent Establishments, responsible for pay etc., not necessarily where they actually were.  A bit of research has produced the following details:

Re: Bethune-Williams
Listed as being Missing, presumed killed after the loss of the Norwegian merchant ship RINGSTAD which was torpedoed and sunk by U-333.  Details of the loss may be found at the excellent warsailors website:

See also the U-boat website at:

which adds the additional information that Bethune-Williams was a bomb-disposal expert, and was travelling to Ottawa

re: Clarke
Was killed in an air crash.  He was serving as a pilot with 767 Squadron, flying Fairy Swordfish aircraft, and based at Arbroath.   On 13 May 1942 his aircraft (K8434) was in a mid-air collision at 2,000 feet with another Swordfish (L2838) and both aircraft crashed at Shandford Farm, Finavon, Fearn, Angus, with the loss of all crews – six men in all  (source of this info:Sturtivant & Burrow 'Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939-1945'

 on: 25 January 2018 02:33:11 PM 
Started by mark rogers - Last Post by mark rogers
I am conducting research into the men on the King’s School Worcester war memorials The intention is to produce a commemorative book to mark the end of WW1. I am looking to find details of how men were killed and if possible obtain a photograph of the individual. Could anyone help with the following 2 casualties?

BETHUNE-WILLIAMS, Denis Eustace   Lieutenant      RNVR H.M.C.S. Bytown.   commemorated onCHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL   died 25/01/1942
CLARKE, Frank David Strickland   Sub-Lieutenant (A)      RNVR H.M.S. Condor.   ARBROATH WESTERN CEMETERY died 13/05/1942

 on: 10 January 2018 04:46:58 PM 
Started by scotchbeefies - Last Post by NavySparker
Here is the crew list of HMS Birkenhead at the Battle of Jutland.

 on: 10 January 2018 04:44:32 PM 
Started by Cavair - Last Post by NavySparker
Here is the crew list for HMS Black Prince at the Battle of Jutland.

 on: 09 January 2018 10:07:38 PM 
Started by NavySparker - Last Post by NavySparker
For those with an interest in the Battle of Jutland a small group of volunteers are endeavouring to recreate the crew lists of the 151 Royal Navy ships at the battle.

 on: 18 December 2017 11:33:27 AM 
Started by CS.Lancs - Last Post by PhiloNauticus

No problem

To clarify some points:
In the Service Record, where you have a name followed by a name in brackets - such as GREENWICH (Sportive) - it means that the first name is what is known as the 'parent' establishment, the second name, in brackets, is the ship served on.  The 'parent' was responsible for all the admin, pay, paperwork etc for the smaller vessel. 

I have had a closer look at the 'Iolaire' period (New Year 1919): his record shows GREENWICH (Sportive), between December 1918 and February 1919 and then BLENHEIM (ditto) after Feb. 1919.    I know that Sportive was a destroyer, part of the 6th Destroyer Flotilla, which was part of the Mediterranean Fleet - this would be at Malta, because the Blenheim was a depot at Malta.

But ....

On checking the service of Greenwich, then she was actually part of the Atlantic Fleet at the time, and most likely at Scapa Flow. Further, on looking at contemporary newspapers, I have found a report which shows the 6th DF (including Sportive) not leaving the UK for Malta until February 1919.  This would seem to confirm that he was not in Malta at the time of the Iolaire disaster, as I first thought, but in the UK - most likely at Scapa Flow.

Incidentally, newspaper reports mention that divers were used at the scene, to recover bodies

Kew - more info: depends on what you are looking for; they have the record of the Court of Enquiry on the Iolaire wreck (ref: ADM 116/1869) , but I would doubt that they have any details of the individual divers

I hope this helps - if you want any more assistance, just ask

 on: 18 December 2017 12:42:11 AM 
Started by CS.Lancs - Last Post by CS.Lancs
Hello PhiloNauticus, thank you so much for taking the time to assemble all of these ships into a coherent timeline together with places and even adding some history. No mean feat I’m sure. This was something I wanted to do but I know might have taken me weeks of Internet searching to collate. To be honest I wouldn’t have known where to begin looking. Thanks also for clearing up confusion about why he moved about so much, this makes more sense.

We’re still not clear about his involvement in the Iolaire tragedy. On seeing the ship’s name on this service record, my mother assumed that he might have been aboard until I pointed out the much earlier date against the ship. Distant family members with other pieces of the puzzle are convinced that he most definitely was part of the recovery operation in his capacity as a Navy diver, so the plot thickens…

I was confused by the coincident time placing him with quote: “Greenwich (Sportive) – 21st Dec 1918 to 21st Feb 1919”   :-\  Are these two separate ships? If he was in Malta or thereabouts, I wonder if it’s possible that he was drafted in at short notice but in those days I doubt that would have been possible. Do you think Kew would hold more detailed information about the recovery operation?
Whatever his involvement at that time, events most definitely had a lasting negative effect on him and not surprising given the closeness of those involved.

Researching Victor George’s life has been like going into a forgotten room in the house, opening the door and finding boxes crammed full of memories…a fascinating, surprising, amusing, at times sad and humbling journey of discovery for our family, especially for my mother who had a more immediate personal connection, albeit at a much young age. She says herself that she wishes she had been older so she could chat properly with him about his life. I echo that sentiment with her father Tommy, Victor George’s son in law; my grandfather. Sadly, they don’t make ‘em like this any more!

Once again, many thanks for your expertise and clarification. To reiterate, do you think there would be more information at Kew?


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