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 on: 17 October 2019 05:41:02 pm 
Started by Jamax - Last Post by Jamax
Hi all

Recently came across this blog from Mike Botula in the US whose father was aboard LST920 and recounts the final moments of LCI(L)-99 when 920 and 921 were under attack from U-667. Finally after 75 years we know how it ended.

It was either brave act to save the crew and cargo of 920 or she went to the wrong place at the wrong time. As a family we hope it was the former. RIP brave men of LCI(L)-99.

Alex Shields

 on: 17 October 2019 11:16:15 am 
Started by Shell - Last Post by Shell
I am new to this group and would be very grateful for any help or info that can be provided.
I have recently ordered my grandfathers (Cecil Whitehurst) service records (still awaiting) from the Army as our family has always been under the impression my grandfather served in the paratroopers as his son has his wings. He said he did jump training at Ringway in 1943/44 and that is all we know from him prior to his death. No service number is known.
I contacted paradata who kindly checked the records and found 1 person named Whitehurst who completed jump training at Ringway on course number 96. They also provided me with a service number P/JX389878  - Royal signals of 6th airborne. This I have discovered is a Naval service number. Paradata have advised some naval signallers were assigned to airborne units. I have now submitted a new request for my grandfathers service records using the new information to the Navy in the hope that records are found in either the Army or Navy!
I am wondering if anyone can shed any light on the above situation please?

 on: 18 September 2019 09:26:40 pm 
Started by AmmerTime - Last Post by AmmerTime

I am looking for any information or photographs pertaining to my relative, Gordon Huntley, who served on Leeds Castle from 1952-1953 as an REM 2, based in Portland.

Any and all information is greatly appreciated, thank you.

 on: 17 September 2019 02:19:21 pm 
Started by Richard Orritt - Last Post by Richard Orritt
My father Fred was in the RN during WW2 (see service records attached) and anecdotal information from the family tells a story that he was in some sort of special service in North Africa, and only escaped from Tobruk in his underwear! It is there we believe he contracted TB and as an indirect result of this, he died while being treated for a recurrence of the illness in Barrowmore Hospital (Chester) in 1954. I have been unable to find out anything more but would love to know if anyone has any information. If more details are needed please let me know.
Richard Orritt

 on: 29 August 2019 08:09:27 pm 
Started by Deborah180 - Last Post by PhiloNauticus

Your man would not have been entitled to a pension.   

1: In those days you had to have served for 22 years to qualify for what was termed the "Long Service Pension" - as he had only served for four years, he fell well short.

2: Even if he had served his time, his discharge for theft would have disqualified him.

The Royal Navy has a laid-down set of rules covering everything you could possibly think of, of how to do things and what you cannot do etc.  These are known  as King's (or Queens) Regulations and Admiralty Instructions (KR & AI or QR & AI).   The current edition dates to 2017, but back in 1914 it would have been the new edition of 1913:


in which it states:

(page 675) paragraph 1934. Long Service Pensions to Men. Any person…  who shall be discharged after 22 years' service on any account other than for misconduct, shall receive a pension

(page 678) para. 1941. When not entitled  …  A person dismissed with disgrace, with ignominy, or from His Majesty's Service, or for offences, or by sentence of a court-martial, shall not be entitled to any pension …

 on: 29 August 2019 04:55:55 pm 
Started by Deborah180 - Last Post by Deborah180
Another thought I've just had - would this offence and subsequent discharge have a bearing on any Pension he should have received? 


 on: 29 August 2019 04:31:38 pm 
Started by Deborah180 - Last Post by Deborah180
Thank you so much for your response, it is very helpful.  I'm amazed at how much information can come from so little.  You have certainly given me much more insight in this Ratings "Career" in the the Navy, and his behaviour! 

 on: 27 August 2019 10:36:43 am 
Started by Deborah180 - Last Post by PhiloNauticus
In answer to your queries:
1 -  Yes, he served 60 days in prison
2 – Not a medal… punishment.  He was ordered to be treated as “Second Class for Conduct”.  This was a punishment for ratings whose Conduct did meet the required standards, and he was subject to a stricter regime.  It was given in cases of dishonesty or gross insubordination. It meant that they could be ordered to carry out extra duties at any time ; would have to carry out one hours drill every day during the Dog Watches ( - late afternoon); not allowed any leave ; pay reduced by one-sixth; promotion was blocked.  This would normally be for a set period, after which, if they have shown themselves to be well behaved, the restriction could be removed.
3 – SNLR is just a standard naval expression meaning Services No Longer Required – the reason for that is shown as Theft. 

The abbreviations – not sure what Q L C stands for 
The other ref: NL 5103 would just be a letter reference, dated 27 March 1915, which evidently stated that it was approved for him to be discharged from the service for Theft.    A Clerk has then noted that he will be discharged on expiry of his sentence.

 on: 27 August 2019 09:43:32 am 
Started by Grimbler - Last Post by Grimbler
Hello all,

Does anyone have any information about Albert 'Joe' Barnes, who was a 14-year-old boy sailor at Dunkirk? I do not know if Mr Barnes is still alive, but all and anything anyone might know would be greatly appreciated.


 on: 26 August 2019 12:23:59 pm 
Started by Deborah180 - Last Post by Deborah180

I'm trying to decipher the Service Record of Frederick Puckett (snippet attached) who signed up with the Royal Navy in 1910. All seems to be going well for him until 1914 when there is a Question of Conduct with regards to theft, but I don't know what the abbreviations, N.L. 5103,  mean in the remarks column underneath the Q of C entry  I know he was discharged "Service no longer required" following the incident. 

I have few questions:
a)  Am I correct in thinking he served 60 days imprisonment - I can't quite make out the abbreviations for this entry
b)  It seems he received a 2nd class medal? for conduct - would this have still been issued despite his question of conduct?
c)  Why would he be discharged as SNLR and not for theft?  Would his previous conduct and superior ability have a bearing on this?

I understand that to some, these may be fairly basic questions but this is an area I'm not familiar with, I'm looking forward to learning more, I'm finding it quite fascinating.

Thanks for reading, any help or guidance is much appreciated.

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