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 on: 11 November 2018 10:26:54 am 
Started by Noel Clark - Last Post by Noel Clark
James, I'm afraid that I'm not quite sure what you're saying there.

Are you saying that the BWM I have and impressed "Boy 2" is that way because that's the rating he had when he completed his first 28 days mobilised service whilst at Ganges II? If so, I hadn't realised that a training base would be deemed "mobilised service."

And that the VM shown on the Medal Roll, and missing, would have related to his operational service on HMS Caradoc in South Russia in 1919 and up to 1st July 1920 and would have been impressed with his rating at that time - i.e. "Boy 1" or "Ord" - the latter shown on the Medal Roll?


 on: 11 November 2018 08:44:15 am 
Started by Noel Clark - Last Post by James_harvey
For RN service only all sailors were issued the BWM for 28 days service ashore or afloat in the U.K. or overseas

He must have served operationally to get the victory medal.

This caused anger when the raf were formed as the army did not award the BWM for home service



 on: 11 November 2018 08:00:05 am 
Started by Noel Clark - Last Post by Noel Clark
I hope someone can help me with this query.

Edward Leonard Charles Watsham J86934 enlisted in the Royal Navy as a "Boy 2" at the age of 16 on 27th March 1918, from the Training Ship "Exmouth."  His first ship was the training ship HMS Impregnable. On 27th July 1918 he joined the training ship HMS Ganges II; he remained there until 26th February 1919, being made "Boy 1" on 27th December 1918. He was therefore a "Boy 2" when the war started.

On 27th February 1919 he joined HMS Caradoc, where he remained until 29th January 1921, being made Ordinary Seaman on 4th February 1920, and Able Seaman on 13th January 1921. While he was on HMS Caradoc, she was part of the 3rd Light Cruiser Squadron, and was in the Black Sea in 1919 as part of Britain's involvement in the Russian Civil War.

ELCW served for a total of 27 years until final discharge from the RN on 10th October 1945. Along the way he was awarded three GC Badges and the Naval Long Service and Good Conduct Medal in 1935. He also had service in the Second World War on the gunboat HMS Grasshopper on the Yangtse River in China, and was awarded the the 1939-1945 Star, the Defence Medal, and the 1939-1945 War Medal.

His medal entitlement for the First World War was the British War Medal and Victory Medal, as shown in the RN Medal Roll on The roll shows his Rank/Rading as "Ord." for "Ordinary Seaman, which appears to date the compilation of the roll as 4th Debruary 1920 to12th January 1921These are noted as issued to him at HMS Columbine (which I understand to have been a shore base in Scotland); he was at Columbine (Verdun and then Tribune) 4th December 1923 to 31st December 1925. So this seems to date when the medals were actually issued.

I have always assumed that his medals were issued for his service in the Black Sea (South Russia). I can't see that he was otherwise entitled to WW1 medals. I purchased the BWM and LSGC medals some years ago; they were sewn side-by-side onto a "two-medal mounting bar" and by the wear of the ribbons they had been worn on a number of occasions. The Victory Medal was not present - I assume lost. Neither were the medals for the Second World War present.

I recently decided to frame the medals, and duly purchased a good replica VM, and genuine Second World War medals - even if these latter did not belong to ELCW they recognise the service of someone else.

The LSGC medal is impressed as expected. from his service record (HMS Excellent at the time of the award). What puzzles me now that I come to look closely at the BWM is that his rank/rating is shown as "Boy 2". He was never a "Boy 2" on HMS Caradoc, and neither does "Boy 2" match the "Ord." on the medal roll.

Could someone offer an explanation please?

Thank you.

 on: 08 November 2018 10:51:16 am 
Started by lcaldwell - Last Post by lcaldwell
My father, now 94, served on HMS Ameer in Far East during 1944/45. I am looking for any photographs available from that period, other than those already posted in this archive. Also hoping to find a Frank Perry who hold his fatherís photographs from HMS Ameer.
Many thanks

 on: 05 November 2018 05:12:21 pm 
Started by tom grant - Last Post by tom grant
a couple more

 on: 05 November 2018 05:10:29 pm 
Started by tom grant - Last Post by tom grant
these are some of the badges i need names for

 on: 04 November 2018 11:58:06 pm 
Started by kailahoar - Last Post by kailahoar
Hello! I'm searching for a Royal Navy PO who was stationed in HMCS Stadacona in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada approximately 1961-1964. His name is William H. Black, I have his Chiefs and PO's Membership Card.
Here is the information I have:

Born: approx. 1931 (+/- 5 years)
Service Number: P/MX 890778
Arrived or departed Stadacona on the HMS Auriga
Served on the HMS Maidstone/Dreadnought in 1965
Received an RN Long Standing or Good standing award/payment in November 1965

I've attached the images of the documents I have. I believe his records at TNA are closed until 2032. I've reached out to related Facebook groups, searched the National Archives collections &, and contacted the Submariners Associations in Canada.

Does anyone have advice on where else to look? Or happen to have spent time in Stadacona during this time?

Thank you!

 on: 03 November 2018 08:54:43 pm 
Started by tom grant - Last Post by tom grant

is there any collectors of South African Ships Badges, i have eleven badges in my collection with no names and no name boxes, can any one help give these  badges a name,
thanks Tom

 on: 03 November 2018 11:41:20 am 
Started by tom grant - Last Post by tom grant
Greetings looks like I might be on to a winner ,thanks, I will send for a copy of this AFO
Regards Tom

 on: 03 November 2018 09:30:07 am 
Started by tom grant - Last Post by PhiloNauticus
Then it will be in this volume:

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