The Royal Navy
An Illustrated Social History 1870-1982
Captain John Wells
Reprinted 1994
Philip L
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on: 10 September 2026 01:39:12 pm
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on: 31 August 2026 11:27:44 am
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Thanks for your help PhiloNauticus.
Cheers. |
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on: 27 August 2026 06:12:15 pm
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That confirms that was discharged in 1966. Also, that he had the Italy Star, but did not qualify for the Atlantic Star. You may already have seen these, but just in case you have not: https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-10DE-HMS_Lauderdale.htm https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4655.html#google_vignette |
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on: 27 August 2026 02:12:08 pm
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Thanks for the info Philip L, I will look into that.
Thanks PhiloNauticus as well, much appreciated. I've attached part of page 3 of his service record and his medal record sheet. Cheers |
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on: 27 August 2026 01:51:13 pm
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Some information I found in this book.
The Royal Navy. An Illustrated Social History 1870-1982. Captain John Wells. Reprinted 1994. With a foreword by Admiral of the Fleet the Lord Lewin of Greenwich. I cannot photo page because of 1994 copyright. But here is a little bit of information from page 225 and 226. In 1939 artificer apprentice training was transferred from the Fisgard block of the Mechanical Training Establishment at Chatham, partly to Caledonia at Rosyth and partly to Portsmouth and Devonport. The former had already started training engine room and electrical apprentices; those of the later were accommodated at the new RN Artificers Training Centre at Torpoint in Cornwall, adjacent HMS Raleigh. This was Commissioned as HMS Fisgard by Captain (E) in 1946, the name fortuitously handed down from the old hulk that started Boy Artificer Training as part of Fisher's scheme early in the century. Philip L I have now (30th August 2026) found something relevant on Page 137. Keyham continued to train engineer officers, while instruction for engine room, electrical and ordnance artificers was now combined in four hulks comprising Fisgard, which in 1932 moved from Portsmouth to Chatham. Philip L |
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on: 27 August 2026 11:55:35 am
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Notations on the side like 5A1/32 are Pay List Numbers, likewise, where there are notations like Vict {or Victory} 1-2A or 4-2 they are pay references.
The Trade or Occupation was to show his civilian employment before joining the Navy he is shown as Scholar, which means he joined the Navy straight from School at the age of 15. He then served three years training as an Apprentice. He started as an Artificer Apprentice, then steadily progressed upwards, from Ordnance Artificer 5th Class [OA.5], to 1st Class [OA.1] and finally Chief Ordnance Artificer [COA] Medals as he served through WW2, I would think he would have been entitled to the 1939-45 Star Atlantic Star - Africa Star War Medal 1939-45. He did have his Long Service and Good Conduct Medal as well [noted as LS & GM and Trace Medal 21.1.54] The various shore establishments would have administered his pay etc PEMBROKE 2 Chatham DRAKE 2 Plymouth EXCELLENT Portsmouth BOSCAWEN Portland ORLANDO Greenock HANNIBAL Initially established at Algiers, then Taranto, Italy ST ANGELO Malta VICTORY III Portsmouth VERNON Portsmouth OSPREY Portland SEA EAGLE Londonderry CALEDONIA Rosyth For the ships he served on GEORGETOWN = destroyer, ex-USS Maddox, transferred under Lend-Lease. (H.C.) sorry, I cannot explain this one ! LAUDERDALE - Hunt class Escort destroyer ROTHERHAM = R class Destroyer LIVERPOOL = Town class light Cruiser DUKE of YORK = Battleship DIDO = Dido class light Cruiser JAMAICA = Colony class light Cruiser CRISPIN = C class destroyer BELLEROPHON = Reserve ships, Portsmouth KENYA = Colony class light Cruiser ZEST = Z class destroyer BRIGHTON = Type 12 frigate YARMOUTH = Type 12 frigate He was evidently discharged from the RN in 1966 |
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on: 26 August 2026 03:17:12 pm
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Thanks PhiloNauticus.
I've attached the first two sheets which contain most of the information. On the left hand side of the page, there appears some text, 5AI/1 etc. what does this refer to? Cheers. |
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on: 26 August 2026 11:24:11 am
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OA = Ordnance Artificer That means he would be trained to maintain and prepare ordnance [ guns, torpedoes ... things that go bang ] His service record will show his Accounting Base [a shore establishment, or larger ship] which had the staff to administer things like pay. The ship he was actually serving on would be noted in the brackets. If you post his record it may help |
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on: 25 August 2026 03:10:13 pm
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Hello, newbie here.
I recently received the Record of Service for my uncle, Frank Charles Cheal MX 53210. He joined as a Scholar/O.A. apprentice in 1936. Anybody know what O.A. means?. I tried emailing Medals@SPVA.mod.uk to see if he awarded any Long Service medals but the emails aren't sending. Some of the ships he served on, have (Lauderdale) or (Rotherham) alongside them, any suggestions on this? Any forthcoming help will be greatly appreciated, thank you. |
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Fleet Air Arm / Squadrons / Squadrons on UK South Coast equipped with magnetic aerial torpedoes in 1939
on: 15 August 2026 06:25:07 pm
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Hi - does anybody know which squadrons were based on the UK South Coast and equipped with magnetic aerial torpedoes in 1939, i.e. torpedoes with magnetic pistols using the Duplex Coil Rod (DCR)?
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